tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post1226786634687015571..comments2023-10-02T03:46:00.384-07:00Comments on EYE M SICK: Thoughts on The Constant...Bigmouthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-16828107065240391742008-03-02T22:36:00.000-08:002008-03-02T22:36:00.000-08:00ME said...If only Desmond conscientiousness flashe...ME said...<BR/><BR/><I>If only Desmond conscientiousness flashed through time, why couldn't he remember anything when he returned to the freighter? I can understand if his whole self was propelled into the past, that would leave no physical connection from the fast point to the future point, because It had not happened yet,<BR/> ( in theory) it would leave a large physical gap, leave no memory because the body was not there to remember it.<BR/> On the other hand if just his conscientiousness time traveled to the past then there is still the physical connection from one point to the other in time, he was physically present along the time continuum, He aged , his hair grew ect.... so in my mind there must be memory.</I><BR/><BR/>Because his past self flashed to the present. His past self has no memory of future events.<BR/><BR/>When everything gets fixed, his present self flashes back to the present somehow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-67456971506479817042008-03-01T17:35:00.000-08:002008-03-01T17:35:00.000-08:00P.S. FWIW I just posted a comparison between Dan's...P.S. FWIW I just posted a comparison between Dan's space/time notebook page, with a graphic of the real Minkowski's space/time triangle on my LOST blog (Footnotes post). There are similarities, that TPTB seem to have gone to the trouble to show us. What we are supposed to do with it, who knows?Capcomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841675195251354073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-28678585316021912332008-03-01T16:06:00.000-08:002008-03-01T16:06:00.000-08:00Very nice thoughts Big!! And good comments everyon...Very nice thoughts Big!! And good comments everyone. Maybe down the road after we get more to work with, Hawking's Imaginary Time theory mentioned in Dan's notes will help with this time looping situation. The Minkowski Space/Time triangle looks like Dan's notes as well:<BR/><BR/>http://www.quantonics.com/Einstein_Minkowski_Space_Time_Diagram.html<BR/><BR/>Thanks for posting the wiki links, they are great!Capcomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841675195251354073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-62503459185527476122008-03-01T09:13:00.000-08:002008-03-01T09:13:00.000-08:00Big help....LOLThere is something that has been co...<B>Big</B> <BR/>help....LOL<BR/><BR/>There is something that has been confusing me about this episode......Ok, Ok, so there are a lot of things that are confusing me about this episode.<BR/><BR/>The one I'll bring up is:<BR/>If only Desmond conscientiousness flashed through time, why couldn't he remember anything when he returned to the freighter? I can understand if his whole self was propelled into the past, that would leave no physical connection from the fast point to the future point, because It had not happened yet,<BR/>( in theory) it would leave a large physical gap, leave no memory because the body was not there to remember it.<BR/>On the other hand if just his conscientiousness time traveled to the past then there is still the physical connection from one point to the other in time, he was physically present along the time continuum, He aged , his hair grew ect.... so in my mind there must be memory.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>TPTB</B> said they wanted to avoid creating a time paradox but at least to me, I don't see how that can be avoided.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-69940497571390484622008-03-01T08:20:00.000-08:002008-03-01T08:20:00.000-08:00My bad. M & D did take the helicopter. Of course...My bad. M & D did take the helicopter. Of course, they didn't move the freighter closer--I was thinking the crazy effect wasn't TOO far away and that's why Widmore or whomever kept them 80 km away, no closer. Maybe Rousseau's crew had the sickness and she didn't because of being pregnant? And Travis hit it re: Science/Faith, I was thinking that ever since Faraday showed up, but never really could put it into words. Good call, TravisWayne Allen Salleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199261942617339556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-67804390289128852152008-03-01T08:10:00.000-08:002008-03-01T08:10:00.000-08:00@bigmouth and the rest: I posted yesterday but it...@bigmouth and the rest: I posted yesterday but it seemed to lost to the sands of time. One thing I believe is that Faraday finally recalled meeting Desmond in 1996 AFTER seeing his notes about Des being his Constant. I'm also think that there were other events beyond the 1996 meeting that sent Faraday to needing a caretaker and getting a haircut. This also brings to mind that Mrs. Hawking is a Constant, perhaps to Brother Donovan, or womever. Minkowski & Brandon could have felt full exposure because they were on deck, maybe the others were sleeping and the ship's tender was the only one on board. The exact opposite of THE LANGOLIERS, only those awake feel the effects. I'm a bit baffled by the Christmas Eve (really Christmas Day near the Island) thing, as Ben's b-day is 12/23. Did everything in the last, what, seven episodes, going back to last season's battle, only take a day? My assumption is the Des/Penny thing would have more impact on C. Eve because it shows her alone and unattached. That's my four cents. Oh, Ben's Constant? Annie. Doesn't he still have her creepy wooden doll?Wayne Allen Salleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199261942617339556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-69913394270920225412008-03-01T07:42:00.000-08:002008-03-01T07:42:00.000-08:00Bigmouth - Thank you! You just saved my brain from...Bigmouth - Thank you! You just saved my brain from Exploding!! I completely grasped the concepts you just discussed but I could not form these notions into coherent thoughts... However; you did it masterfully! Whew! ... Does this make you my "constant" now? ;D<BR/><BR/>DJ - Your thought on Rousseau was verrrrry interesting! Hmmmmm... I wonder if Ben is Rousseau's constant? I'm wondering if their connection goes beyond Alex... For that matter, I wonder if she knows how to carve wooden figurines... =)Lolagrrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12689037253696699251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-53663229080908670012008-02-29T23:42:00.000-08:002008-02-29T23:42:00.000-08:001. This is probably the "sickness" to which Rousse...<I>1. This is probably the "sickness" to which Rousseau referred oh-so-long ago. Why she didn't get it, I can't say.</I><BR/><BR/>Maybe she had a "constant".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-26870062637565489582008-02-29T23:37:00.000-08:002008-02-29T23:37:00.000-08:00Minkowski mentioned that he and Brandon became uns...<I>Minkowski mentioned that he and Brandon became unstuck in time after they took the helicopter out for a flyby of the Island. What's curious about that is they're the only two we know of who became unstuck without exposure to large doses of radiation or electromagnetism. Mere continuity error or clue to something more?</I><BR/><BR/>I'd assume there's something in their past that caused them to be irradiated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-79554969714462555342008-02-29T21:35:00.000-08:002008-02-29T21:35:00.000-08:00I'd also like to point out two things about the co...I'd also like to point out two things about the consciousness jumping:<BR/><BR/>1. This is probably the "sickness" to which Rousseau referred oh-so-long ago. Why she didn't get it, I can't say. But it seems to have gotten her entire crew, so she off'd 'em.<BR/><BR/>2. Did Ray's injection for George remind anyone else of the "vaccine"? Just pondering. I mean, it obviously had a different effect for George (sleepy time), but that could be because of his then-current state (as opposed to everyone else who shot up with it in relatively normal circumstances).<BR/><BR/>I'll also throw one more weirdo theory out there... What if all the flashbacks we see are the same thing Desmond's experiencing, but to a lesser degree -- in other words, maybe they don't make the connection? Desmond got blasted by the 2.342 @ 11 Hz boom in the Swan, which resulted in his first backwards-ass experience... This could be residual? Or he could just be special in general (Walt, for example, seemed to be able to do this at will)? Makes me wonder about everyone else on the Island when the Swan blew up, because they were all bathed in the waves. That could seriously screw things up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-53885458151353452332008-02-29T19:46:00.000-08:002008-02-29T19:46:00.000-08:00Awwhhh man. Brilliant. The flashback in this episo...Awwhhh man. Brilliant. The flashback in this episode was... interactive! It wasn't just your normal flashback!<BR/><BR/>And I loved the Desmond-Sayid camaraderie. It's good to see Sayid finally attaching to someone, because really the last time he had a close companion was Shannon. Yikes!<BR/><BR/>Felt sorry for George. =\<BR/><BR/>Ooh and yay Penny! She even gave props to Charlie, hah!<BR/><BR/>Desmond episodes are always so good... and revealing about the show. He's super super important.<BR/><BR/>And of course -- Daniel! Everyone's new favorite. Mine as well. He's so well-written and well-acted...<BR/><BR/>Memory loss part 2: So, why doesn't Daniel remember Desmond? Why didn't alarms go off in his head when Desmond showed up at the helicopter two episodes ago? After all, we just saw that Desmond MET Daniel in 1996! Hmm.<BR/><BR/>Well, did anyone else catch it?<BR/><BR/>Daniel: This future version of me... uh... he, he referenced this meeting, right?<BR/>Desmond nods.<BR/>Daniel: Obviously so. So I would remember you coming to Oxford, right? I would remember this, here, right now.<BR/>Desmond: Actually, um, no.<BR/>Daniel: No...?<BR/>Desmond: Maybe you just forgot.<BR/>Daniel: Yeah, right, how would that happen?<BR/><BR/>Oh noes! Da giveaway!<BR/><BR/>Not to mention...<BR/><BR/>Desmond: What's that for?<BR/>Daniel: Radiation.<BR/>Desmond: Do I get one?<BR/>Daniel: You don't need one. It's for prolonged exposure... I do this twenty times a day.<BR/>Desmond: So what do you put on your head?<BR/>Daniel: ...heh. Yeah.<BR/><BR/>Looks like Daniel rotted his brains and as a result...<BR/><BR/>Dun dun dun..............<BR/><BR/>(I feel sorry for him. =\ )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-26334691990917539632008-02-29T16:30:00.000-08:002008-02-29T16:30:00.000-08:00I think "The Constant" could be the key to unlocki...I think "The Constant" could be the key to unlocking the entire show. Lost has always been exploring the concepts of faith vs. science, fate vs. free will, and much speculation has been made as to why the survivors of 815 have such interlocked pasts. Did fate bring them together, or was it a sinister conspiracy? Was it their inescapable destiny to crash on the island, or did they inadvertently choose to arrive there?<BR/><BR/>Last night, when Desmond tracked down Faraday at Oxford in 1996, Faraday asked if he had supposedly helped Desmond in 1996, wouldn't he remember this in the future? Desmond said something along the lines of "not necessarily," and the moment Desmond connected to Penny in 2004, his present consciousness snapped back into place. The time-shift was corrected, and although we didn't see it, we can assume that Past Desmond has no memory of the time displacement that he just experienced. Everything is as it was, so that all events in the past could unfold exactly as they should have to lead up to this point in the present. By connecting with his constant, Desmond fixed the time wrinkle.<BR/><BR/>Since episode one, Lost has always played with time as a story-telling device, either via flashback or flash-forward. In the entire Lost series, only two episodes have strayed from this format -- both were Desmond episodes, in which he literally flashed back or flashed forward. This could be a significant tip-off. What if the Oceanic survivors all share a similar fate as Desmond, in which they must find a constant to insure that time unfolds correctly, and their constants are other Oceanic survivors? This could explain why so many of them have "unknowingly" crossed paths in the past. Like Desmond's journey to the future & back, with insight into the future, they could have positioned themselves around the people they would need to be with and then lost awareness of the future once the connection has been made.<BR/><BR/>This would also explain why Future Jack is despondent and begging, "We have to go back!" to Kate in the season three finale. Perhaps he's trying to connect to a constant. I don't really think this is the answer. It would make pretty dull TV if from here on out we just watch the remaining survivors make their connections and fix time. I'm sure the writers have something far more involved and engaging planned.<BR/><BR/>Note: It's interesting that "The Constant" aired the day before February 29th, the extra day added to the Gregorian calendar every four years to keep it from slowly drifting out of phase with the astronomical calendar, almost the way the Island is slowly drifting out of phase with the current time as clocked on the freighter. Coincidence?<BR/><BR/>Random thought: what if the Oceanic Six are not famous for being the sole survivors of the plane crash, but something more nefarious?travishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03853539388626762841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-12158482697589375782008-02-29T09:50:00.000-08:002008-02-29T09:50:00.000-08:00hatchling 23:do you think ben's constant is that w...hatchling 23:<BR/><BR/>do you think ben's constant is that wooden doll annie made for him? he does carry it in his bag all the time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-61726881692168502582008-02-29T09:19:00.000-08:002008-02-29T09:19:00.000-08:00This was my favorite episode of Lost. I still mai...This was my favorite episode of Lost. I still maintain that Desmond is key to this whole story, and "The Constant" reinforced that idea. He is, afterall, the only person on the island who has someone on the outside world who knows about the island and knows that he is there. Desmond rocks. Amazing episode. Did anyone else catch the easter egg of the dog one of the Oxford students had? Sure looked like the dog in the picture in Jacob's cabin. <BR/><BR/>Looking forward to BigMouth's post, as always!Merrylegshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03768089761416498502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-19844493197442888782008-02-29T08:58:00.000-08:002008-02-29T08:58:00.000-08:00That episode was ridiculous, by far the best one t...That episode was ridiculous, by far the best one this season. I loved how little clues popped up here and there..<BR/><BR/>...The captains log from the Black Rock was on sale by Hanzo (Hanzo Corporation), and Whitmore knows instictively to buy it. So did that storm separte the black rock and it's captain, sending the black rock to the middle of the island in the never explained dark territitory (possibly physics things that Faraday can explain). <BR/><BR/>have to agree about Richard and the rest of the others, where are they and where did they go? Hydra station? Another station we are not being told about? There is 6 on the "2" Islands - Hydra, Lookinging Glass, Swan, TV one (forget the name), Birth Station (forget name again), and one more according to the drawing that locke saw. <BR/><BR/>...Also who is Ben's "inside man" on the ship? <BR/><BR/>As many answers to constants, time travel, destined connections that this great episode provided there is plenty of questions it generates as well....Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695084895027308866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-54122772197137654082008-02-29T07:43:00.000-08:002008-02-29T07:43:00.000-08:00I was blown away by this episode.Possibly the most...I was blown away by this episode.<BR/><BR/>Possibly the most answers given on this show. Trying to tie it in to other occurrences will be the fun part.<BR/><BR/>Wondering about other characters "constants" such as Locke, who was also exposed to high levels of electromagnetism when the hatch imploded.<BR/><BR/>Remember Locke saying "Storms gonna pass" and it stopped raining immediently? I wonder how far ahead/behind he is flashing?<BR/><BR/>I have already figured out who or what Ben Linus' constant is.<BR/><BR/>Your thoughts?hatchling23https://www.blogger.com/profile/05620587622450939544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-63782131696973660822008-02-29T07:36:00.000-08:002008-02-29T07:36:00.000-08:00A quick thought on the 'constant' aspect to the sh...A quick thought on the 'constant' aspect to the show. perhaps this is why so many survivors stay on the island. leaving the Island may result in Death; if they are unable to find there 'constant'. also, maybe that is why Erin(baby) was able to leave with Kate. As he was born on the Island he has no past to reconcile and no need for a constant.Blue Eyed Monsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00694867532127090208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-1648591044896835852008-02-29T07:09:00.000-08:002008-02-29T07:09:00.000-08:00Hahaha! As with the other comments:1)Holy Crap is ...Hahaha! As with the other comments:<BR/>1)Holy Crap is right!<BR/>2) love Love LOVE Faraday!!!<BR/>(I'm envisioning a lot of comments that start with "DITTO!"<BR/><BR/>I was sooo geeking out during this entire episode and I've decided that I spend waaaay too much time thinking about this show! =)<BR/><BR/>With that, I had commented a few posts back (at the very end of the comments) that I was getting the feeling that everything that's happened so far in season 4 was NOT "supposed" to be happening and that somewhere along our journey, everything would be "course corrected" and that it had to do w/Desmond, and that Season 4 would end where season 3 ended except Jack would not answer the phone.... and while I wont say that I'm sure of it now, I feel that it may be the case still.<BR/><BR/>By Jumping back in time again, did Desmond undo some of the things that happened with him in Season 3? It seems to me that he might have... because the Desmond that is here "now" (time is such a slippery thing) seems to have no clue about the Desmond who sailed around the world or flipped that switch... and why didn't Jack tell Faraday about the Hatch?!<BR/><BR/>Did I mention how much I love Faraday??<BR/><BR/>either way, ~something~ course corrected itself in that episode b/c Faraday seemed surprised and relieved to see Desmond's name in his journal... so that's something new... and how lucky is he to have his constant so close by?<BR/><BR/>There's more I'd like to say about this episode but the bottom line is, every time I try to think about Desmond & Faraday's meeting in the past and the crazy implications of that meeting my head threatens to explode so I'll leave that up to our resident expert. =)<BR/><BR/>BTW - I love the fact that I can subscribe to the comments! It's great having everyone's input emailed directly to me! =)Lolagrrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12689037253696699251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-18401936293241271992008-02-29T06:17:00.000-08:002008-02-29T06:17:00.000-08:00Anonymous...you basically said everything I was th...Anonymous...you basically said everything I was thinking...infact I just gonna start off by saying holy crap is right and then go off to announce my love for Faraday =D anyway this episode was much much better then eggtown, Kate's episodes always are a bit bleak =[ but still...LOVE Daniel! And the episode...I kept feeling no Des, dont die =[ <BR/>Random thought but has anyone else wondered what might have happened to the other 'others'? Like Richard and everyone else just went off when Ben was coming to look for Jack =S And since then no one has bothered with them? Not Ben, Jack or Locke? Just wondering what may have happened to them....I was reading some of BM's older posts and came across Monarch Programming, maybe the others took the children not because they were good but to program them? Just a thought, cant wait to see what everyone thinks! Once again, LOVING Daniel =D Lisa, your totally right, this is THE episode so far I think =)lil-beehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15704193272838923428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-50924808936306690752008-02-29T05:13:00.000-08:002008-02-29T05:13:00.000-08:00i cannot wait for your recap...this was THE episod...i cannot wait for your recap...this was THE episode! i feel like we've been waiting for these kind of answers to come! i loved it!lisa h.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11983554804367985541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-84385618647442694952008-02-29T04:25:00.000-08:002008-02-29T04:25:00.000-08:00Holy crap is right! I'll be searching the boards t...Holy crap is right! I'll be searching the boards this weekend for sure. Initial thoughts:<BR/><BR/>After this episode, I’m convinced more than ever that everyone is ‘connected’ in some type of way and they where ‘chosen’ to be where they are.<BR/><BR/>I’m confused about something. Did the consciousness of the Desmonds mind switch? I mean the ‘current Desmond’ recognized that he was in his past; but, when we went back to the helicopter, that Desmond didn’t recognize Sayid, Frank, or anything else. That was the Desmond we followed around on the show. What happen to the ‘current Desmond?’ <BR/><BR/>Always had a thing for nerds/geeks. I’m loving Daniel Faraday more and more.<BR/><BR/>Penny and the boat. What’s up with that? She told Charlie that she didn’t send it, yet Minkowski said that he was in contact with Penny on the ‘special’ phone. <BR/><BR/>Charles Widmore is up to something. He brought the ledger to ‘The Black Rock.’ Did he know that it was on the island? Didn’t trust him when he gave Desmond Penny’s new location. It’s as if he knew that the two of them contacting now would help him in the future. Widmore has a motive to everything he does.<BR/><BR/>Daniel wrote that Desmond Hume was his ‘constant.’ Does this mean that Daniel conscious travels too? If so, is this why he was so upset when announced that Oceanic 815 was found? Was this also the reason he was fighting Miles when pushed out of the helicopter? Was he having a ‘moment?’ <BR/><BR/>Looking forward to reading all of the thoughts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com