tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post202669191894647079..comments2023-10-02T03:46:00.384-07:00Comments on EYE M SICK: Thoughts on He's Our You...Bigmouthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comBlogger111125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-16295400946610499852009-04-01T18:13:00.000-07:002009-04-01T18:13:00.000-07:00The 4th, 8th, 15th, 16th, 23rd, and 42nd posts sho...The 4th, 8th, 15th, 16th, 23rd, and 42nd posts should be highlighted after each of Biggy's blog posts. <BR/><BR/>Biggy, you gonna start Twittering? I can see the entries:<BR/><BR/>"Thinking about what to say about Whatever Happened, Happened."<BR/><BR/>"Computer crashed, entry for blog deleted forever." <BR/><BR/>"Wow, 108 responses already, I had better get the Herb Caen three dots in now." <BR/><BR/>Can I please just say Twitter is useless?KoreAmBearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10847567300078301313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-10447555131307481872009-04-01T16:43:00.000-07:002009-04-01T16:43:00.000-07:00On an unrelated note, I was just emailing one of t...On an unrelated note, I was just emailing one of the blog lurkers about the comments and I realized I posted number...108. We all know what LeFleur would say...Wayne Allen Salleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199261942617339556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-48698854322220870472009-04-01T14:57:00.000-07:002009-04-01T14:57:00.000-07:00Biggy - thanks for the reference to your earlier p...Biggy - thanks for the reference to your earlier post, "Star of Jacob." Very interesting stuff.KoreAmBearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10847567300078301313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-56916502754412058682009-04-01T12:31:00.000-07:002009-04-01T12:31:00.000-07:00Hey, Big. I loved the book SOLARIS as well as the ...Hey, Big. I loved the book SOLARIS as well as the film. I brought up MSMI because it might show how desperate Ben is when he takes Locke to Jacob's cabin, the Ben is actually trying to BE Jacob because Jacob is only talking to Locke in that scene. I think Horace plays a huge role right now. If Locke's dream is right, Horace might have actually built the cabin by the time of the Purge (if it remains in 1992), and the the blueprints were there for Locke to find, whether or not Horace kept the blueprints with him for years. Maybe he just happened to have them just that day. Jacob finds a way to manifest in a very real way once that cabin is built. Odds are its outside or near the sonar fence, maybe as Smokey, he can burrow through the ground. The DI changed after Jacob showed up however he did, going from the magic cubes to Room 23 and Jacob Loves You. (One might argue that Room 23 was the Others' doing, but the Jacob credo appeared on one of the Orientation tapes. I would lean to the Island being more like Solaris, only being selective in who it seduces. Horace wanted the getaway cabin, Ben wanted to get away from the DI. I think that Richard has known about at least the concept of Jacob for many years. Did Jacob do his own brainwashing on the DI? Or did the DI eventually take things to the next level?<BR/><BR/>See you all everybody on the Island.Wayne Allen Salleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199261942617339556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-88965227399405139802009-04-01T11:50:00.000-07:002009-04-01T11:50:00.000-07:00Capcom: The Id Monster from Forbidden Planet strik...<B>Capcom:</B> The Id Monster from Forbidden Planet strikes me as a great analogy! Another would be the Visitors in Solaris. Ultimately, which analogy works better will depend on whether the Island turns out to be a dangerous technological artifact of a long-dead civilization like the Krell, or whether it's actually trying to communicate with our Losties using these manifestations as its avatars ala Solaris.<BR/><BR/><B>KevJones:</B> Christian may himself be a manifestation of Jack's mind and the Island. If so, Christian may serve the same Island agenda that Jacob does. Of course, I'm still not entirely sure that Christian really speaks for Jacob, though his disdain for Ben suggests he might. Regarding the Historian speculation, I think I mean something more like the "spirits able to rage through time and space" that I mentioned in my <A HREF="http://eyemsick.blogspot.com/2009/01/thoughts-on-jughead.html" REL="nofollow">Jughead recap.</A><BR/><BR/><B>Wayne:</B> Interesting stuff! To clarify, however, when I say manifestation, I mean like in Solaris. Even if Jacob began as a creation of little Ben's traumatized mind, he's no longer simply a hallucination.<BR/><BR/><B>KoreAmBear:</B> I think the biblical parallels are right on target. Have you read the <A HREF="http://eyemsick.blogspot.com/2008/01/star-of-jacob.html" REL="nofollow">Star of Jacob</A>?Bigmouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-8631888258366600752009-04-01T10:48:00.000-07:002009-04-01T10:48:00.000-07:00The sneak peaks look tantalizing for tonight. :-)The sneak peaks look tantalizing for tonight. :-)Capcomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841675195251354073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-41952114292192337972009-03-31T19:35:00.000-07:002009-03-31T19:35:00.000-07:00@KoreAmBear, of course, poor Tom could get a highe...@KoreAmBear, of course, poor Tom could get a higher-paying job in Chicago, think he has left The Hat behind, and then realize we have deep-dish pizza, Vienna hot dogs on steamed, poppy seed buns, and Maxwell Street polish sausage. Arturo will tell him he still loves all his added pounds. You still need to get Bigmouth into doing a cameo as a Mr. LeShade type. Maybe he can be a pasta chef in both cities! (When I think of M.C.Gainey, though, I always recall him as the pilot in CON AIR).<BR/><BR/>Figured I'd add another pose before it winds down. Of course, this isn't two-way conversation; anyone can add their own thoughts on the Tom/Arturo idea. (I wonder if the actor who played Arturo's ear is ringing from this post?)<BR/><BR/>Remember: whatever happened, happened.Wayne Allen Salleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199261942617339556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-58392111886096855872009-03-31T16:58:00.000-07:002009-03-31T16:58:00.000-07:00No problem, Kev, I always ask questions too withou...No problem, Kev, I always ask questions too without looking it up first, mostly to get our blog-budds take on it. And I wasn't sure if you knew it could be found there. They are always adding new information in the archives at Lostpedia so there is usually more to learn when you go back to look at something you've looked up before anyway.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the reminder that Jacob had many wives Koreambear, don't know why I forgot that. And right, Benjamin was very special in the family and Jacob's "other favorite".Capcomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841675195251354073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-15708113404878047022009-03-31T13:08:00.000-07:002009-03-31T13:08:00.000-07:00Wayne, ***SPOILER ALERT*** (just kidding):The star...Wayne, ***SPOILER ALERT*** (just kidding):<BR/><BR/>The start to a season 6 ep. is a picture of Tom's eye, and then zooming out we see Tom in a Manhattan studio bed with Arturo making some eggs, toast and coffee. Then we do a flashback to Tom's life, going to Pasadena Art Center and learning about designing cars (and tricking up VW buses). Tom grew up in San Marino and he was really thin then. But someone introduced him to The Hat, a pastrami stand in Pasadena, and that is how he became what he is today. <BR/><BR/>Biggy -- re: Ben, I can't help but continue the Biblical theme. Benjamin in the Bible was kind of a miracle baby and the youngest of Jacob's kids. He was I believe the only other child of the union between Jacob and Rachel besides Joseph (yes, of the Technicolor Dreamcoat fame). Rachel was barren for most of her life and so Jacob had many other children (tribes of Israel) with his other wife Leah. Jacob met Rachel at a well (I think that might be what is referred to as Jacob's well) and tried to marry her but Rachel's father Laban tricked Jacob into marrying Leah first and then Jacob had to work 7 years of hard labor to earn his right to mary Rachel.KoreAmBearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10847567300078301313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-10382518977575385992009-03-31T12:49:00.000-07:002009-03-31T12:49:00.000-07:00Hey, Big & KevJones. I'm ghostwriting a no...Hey, Big & KevJones. I'm ghostwriting a novel for someone at the moment, and one of the things I had to read up on was MSMI or Mirrored Self-Misidentification. Perhaps its a little bit of Tyler Durden AND a little bit of Jacob/Christian. Ben sees himself as an extension of Jacob, even to the point past where he fell out of grace with Jacob. He may not intentionally be trying to act through Jacob, but he thinks that Jacob still wants him to be his mouthpiece. That first time Ben and Locke were in Jacob's cabin, Ben really seemed a bit more "in denial" than at other times when talking about Jacob. Another (though unlikely)n angle on why Ben turned the wheel, to regain Jacob's good graces.<BR/><BR/>Christie, the 100 posts makes me more nostalgic, I came across Big's blog during the late summer of 2007. LOST had so much to reveal then, and really, I dig you guys who post here. Back in 2007, it was pretty silent, and I respect Big for continuing the in-depth posting when there were so few comments.<BR/><BR/>@KoreAmBear I can see Tom and Arturo after waking up next to each other sober after their first date. "Arturo, whatever happened, happened. We just can't remember it."Wayne Allen Salleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199261942617339556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-70278694077187289362009-03-31T11:10:00.000-07:002009-03-31T11:10:00.000-07:00Big, #2, if Jacob is a manifestation of Bens mind ...Big, #2, if Jacob is a manifestation of Bens mind then how does Christian come to "speak on his behalf"? If Jacob saves lil Ben that could possibly be the coolest character introduction ever. Regarding #1, in the book the person has to seek out the meansto be a historian, meaning they have to be alive first, I don't think an unborn Jacob would have that kind of mental power, that's like an infant Osterman becoming Dr. Manhattan. <BR/><BR/>Capcom, muchos gracias for the help, I probably should have checked there in the first place, but this base become my first reference for anything Lost related.KevJonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-77899493902011966092009-03-31T10:42:00.000-07:002009-03-31T10:42:00.000-07:00I just have to say that I finally started having t...I just have to say that I finally started having these comments sent to my Gmail and you all have been cracking me up with your new show ideas, etc. I also want to shout out that I think this is the 100th comment and I know that will make Wayne happy :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-64531653305989176942009-03-31T08:35:00.000-07:002009-03-31T08:35:00.000-07:00P.S. Speaking of the DI, I'm wondering if TPTB wil...P.S. Speaking of the DI, I'm wondering if TPTB will show us at what point Dharmaville turned into Jonestown Guyana, that is, when did they turn from "saving the world with peace love and science", to "the end justifies the means" and violence. TPTB may just let us make our own assumptions about that (like many other details), leaving the informatation as "something changed and now it's like this".Capcomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841675195251354073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-85851853154417264862009-03-31T08:27:00.000-07:002009-03-31T08:27:00.000-07:00LOL Everyone! Especially about Rodman's behavior t...LOL Everyone! Especially about Rodman's behavior this week. That guy needs a wake-up call on many levels.<BR/><BR/>KevJones, the details of why and how the DI got to the island can be seen here:<BR/>http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Sri_Lanka_video<BR/><BR/>It was all about Hanso's corp setting up a special group to do secretive scientific research on a deserted (they thought) island to save the world via intensive scientific research.<BR/><BR/>Big, Jacob could be Ben's "Monster from the Id", heheh. At TLC, Fenris and I have always wondered if that's what Smokey was. I might not think that so much now after what we've seen lately, Smokey doesn't seem to need people to go to sleep to get his work done. :o)<BR/><BR/>Sorry about the deletes, I made dumb typos.Capcomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841675195251354073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-42005773343456673192009-03-31T08:22:00.000-07:002009-03-31T08:22:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Capcomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841675195251354073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-50210120854042539842009-03-31T08:19:00.000-07:002009-03-31T08:19:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Capcomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841675195251354073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-6910759880933341822009-03-31T07:59:00.000-07:002009-03-31T07:59:00.000-07:00I think Dennis Rodman was drinking MacCutcheon las...I think Dennis Rodman was drinking MacCutcheon last Sunday on the Celebrity Apprentice! Seriously, though, two quick thoughts about Jacob inspired by our Palahniuk discussions:<BR/><BR/>1) Building on the Rant idea that Jacob is an Historian, is it possible he was Ben's brother who was never born because of Emily Linus's death during childbirth?<BR/><BR/>2) Regarding Fight Club, could Jacob be a manifestation of little Ben's mind? We know dissociative identity order can be caused by childhood trauma. We've just seen little Ben get abused by his father and shot by Sayid whose life he tried to save. What if these traumas trigger the creation of an alter who goes by the name of Jacob whom the Island brings to life?<BR/><BR/>What if Jacob saves little Ben?Bigmouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-62767204763607749802009-03-31T03:02:00.000-07:002009-03-31T03:02:00.000-07:00Note about the MacCutcheon. Each time one drinks ...Note about the MacCutcheon. Each time one drinks an MCC, he/she does something really decisive and nasty. Widmore had to tell Desmond he was a loser and could not ever measure up to Penny. Anthony Cooper drank an MCC and proceeded to throw his supposed son off an 8 story building. Ilana drank it along with Sayid and she did the zip up boots one-two kick on Sayid. Man, I love me some MCC!KoreAmBearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10847567300078301313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-36715335279767306502009-03-31T02:54:00.000-07:002009-03-31T02:54:00.000-07:00That's comedy, Wayne. I think the whole world nee...That's comedy, Wayne. I think the whole world needed not to see Jeremy Ross dance. So perhaps Gary Coleman needs to go kill whoever started ABC so no Dancing With the Stars ever happened. But whatever happened, happened. So I guess Warren Sapp is safe.KoreAmBearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10847567300078301313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-613512765724232332009-03-30T22:40:00.000-07:002009-03-30T22:40:00.000-07:00KoreAmBear, but then there's still Tom Bergeron to...KoreAmBear, but then there's still Tom Bergeron to be dealt with, which then deletes DANCING WITH THE STARS and then no one will ever see Steve Jobs attempt to dance. But that's beside the point. (And as you said, wait, there's a problem there?!)<BR/><BR/>I'll write the treatment, you start casting (this way, we all get to know Bigmouth's real identity, right?)<BR/><BR/>Too bad Gary Coleman can't be on LOST as part of the DI. Can't you hear it, "What you talkin' about, LaFleur?"Wayne Allen Salleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199261942617339556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-88450846008237615082009-03-30T17:22:00.000-07:002009-03-30T17:22:00.000-07:00Wayne, why don't we submit the screenplay to Darlt...Wayne, why don't we submit the screenplay to Darlton? Absolutely fabulous. But the problem is no Full House, no America's Funniest Home Videos. Wait, did I say it was a problem?KoreAmBearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10847567300078301313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-4011109385884768632009-03-30T17:05:00.000-07:002009-03-30T17:05:00.000-07:00I know it's unlikely, but maybe Aaron and Ji-Yeon ...I know it's unlikely, but maybe Aaron and Ji-Yeon are staying with Desmond and Penny...and Desmond and Penny will decide to try and bring them to the island.<BR/><BR/>-BixAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-61194605308723578082009-03-30T16:20:00.000-07:002009-03-30T16:20:00.000-07:00It's funny in that I seem to enjoy Vincent'...It's funny in that I seem to enjoy Vincent's reappearances more than, say, Rose and Bernard because I just hate when characters are used simply as plot devices. All good replies there, Big. My 16 year old niece is reading FIGHT CLUB, its required reading by a teacher that seems to have escaped notice so far, ha ha. <BR/><BR/>You took my thought a step further, in suggesting that adult Ben wanted Sayid to shoot him as a kid so he COULD become the adult Ben we know. That is a real paradox more than the others, because in this example, Ben would have had to have grown up a different way, then realized he could be better off if Sayid shot him as a kid. Am I right here? That this is, pardon the pun, outside the box thinking? That at one point, even though there might have been a 1977 Sayid AND Ben together, there wasn't ALWAYS a 1977 Sayid that SHOT Ben?<BR/><BR/>Your remark to Poohbear made me think of some of the small gems from the Nikki/Paulo episode. Paoulo is in the Pearl's john and Juliet says something to Ben about Jack performing the surgery and Ben's reply that he would do what he has always done, exploit people by telling people what they want to hear.<BR/><BR/>@KoreAmBear the spinoff sounds good, but shouldn't each episode involve ridding someone from reality? Gary Coleman can be Tom and Arturo's wizard-like Ben, and after the pilot, where Kramer is zapped away, I want Coleman to go back in time far enough to discourage Bob Saget from ever acting, then FULL HOUSE is cancelled after three episodes because John Stamos is given the lead role. Think of the ripple effect of a world with no synidicated reruns of FULL HOUSE! (Three nieces, so I can recite the lyrics while working heavy machinery). Instead of the flashbacks of LOST, we get Coleman in the past, then back to Tom & Arturo keeping society safe as they watch from neighborhood rooftops, champagne glasses in hand.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure we are going towards an Aaron-thing, maybe the cliffhanger this season will be getting Aaron to the Island or keeping him away.Wayne Allen Salleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199261942617339556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-55509490809898629612009-03-30T15:44:00.000-07:002009-03-30T15:44:00.000-07:00KoreAmBear, that's an interesting point, maybe we ...KoreAmBear, that's an interesting point, maybe we will see Aaron return to the island as a grown man and turn the hierarchy of the island on it's head. <BR/><BR/>Speaking of Aaron, where the hell is Claire? <BR/><BR/>....and Vincent?!<BR/>KJKevJonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-32597823565516388172009-03-30T14:51:00.000-07:002009-03-30T14:51:00.000-07:00Re: historian theory, I again go back to the Moses...Re: historian theory, I again go back to the Moses story. Pharoah wanted to kill all the Hebrew babies when Moses was born. At some point will Ben, Richard or Jacob as Pharoah make an edict that no babies on the island can be born? Yet Aaron (Moses' brother) was born -- like baby Moses who escaped the edict?KoreAmBearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10847567300078301313noreply@blogger.com