tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post5620343726324999007..comments2023-10-02T03:46:00.384-07:00Comments on EYE M SICK: Thoughts on 316...Bigmouthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-11250385275476083902009-02-25T15:56:00.000-08:002009-02-25T15:56:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mark Cloudenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11997739896332846696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-77821258295809906912009-02-24T12:36:00.000-08:002009-02-24T12:36:00.000-08:00oh, that's GOOD! They won't end it the way the gam...oh, that's GOOD! They won't end it the way the game did.<BR/><BR/>No, my own thought was really that Jack would be holding that CB Radio and decides to NOT call the freighter. That is when our Losties divided, Claire was lost, etc. <BR/><BR/>But the more into the season I get the more I'd like the idea that they just determine that for bad or worse the Island is the place to be. Their own Private Idaho.<BR/><BR/>There are complications either way. Alas, I am strapped in and ready for more dizzying heights and plummets. Who knows how it goes?GasbarNuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789202277016083694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-39301297922299127222009-02-24T09:21:00.000-08:002009-02-24T09:21:00.000-08:00P.S. Or, in the end, the original Losties are old ...P.S. Or, in the end, the original Losties are old and crotchety and a new plane lands/crashes full of fresh people to replace the Losties in their island-keeping duties. :o)Capcomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841675195251354073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-11623293663901954292009-02-24T09:19:00.000-08:002009-02-24T09:19:00.000-08:00Well 80spro, that was not very nice of them. There...Well 80spro, that was not very nice of them. There are lots of ways that TPTB could bring us back to the first scenes again, they do it every week with other subjects and scenes don't they? Case in point, how they showed the return to the island in the beginning and the end of episode 6 last week (was that a hint?)! And the timeline is always jumping around too. So what you posted is not so crazy to me. :-)<BR/><BR/>Personally, I hope that something like that won't be the very final scene because in Via Domus (spoiler here if anyone hasn't played it yet) that's what happens, and it would be a shame for us to be expecting this conclusion because of that ending. TPTB have said that the game is not the show, so hopefully the ending will be more fulfilling than that, if it does indeed somehow come full circle. <BR/><BR/>I would be satisfied if the ending sentiment was showing the remaining major Losties coming to terms with whatever it is that's to be their job for maintenance and upkeep of the island, and looking off into the sunset in the general direction of The World, with no desire whatsoever to go back to it.Capcomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841675195251354073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-66685592707322951262009-02-24T08:20:00.000-08:002009-02-24T08:20:00.000-08:00I posted long ago - and was fairly dismissed (not ...I posted long ago - and was fairly dismissed (not here) that I believe the end will be the beginning. Or at least, I think that's part of it. Or maybe. Hell, this show confuses me so bad I could be completely wrong about it.<BR/><BR/>But something tells me we're going to end up "back" somewhere. Not to where Oceanic 815 crashes I don't think. Somewhere else. <BR/><BR/>Will Locke live again? Possibilities are pretty good. But then why can't others be resurrected? There must be some good reason why Locke and Ben and Jack and Christian are seemingly "the chosen ones". <BR/><BR/>I like the theory about Jacob Shepherd. That would work quite nicely.GasbarNuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789202277016083694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-11630850151378373942009-02-23T13:30:00.000-08:002009-02-23T13:30:00.000-08:00That's an interesting extract Big, perhaps some of...That's an interesting extract Big, perhaps some of it flew over my head but I got the general gist of it. However, I always thought it was just a case of convenience that the Pendulum was used. Clearly I was wrong though. <BR/><BR/>Going back to the Ben issue I was pondering over - his mother and what not; the only reason I brought up the 'external knowledge' possibility is because while Ben may be fierce in his resolve he is also at heart a rational and practical man, I believe. The fact that he would dismiss jacks inquire as to what will happen to the remaining people on the plane with a blasse "Who cares" leads me to assume he knows their lives (as they stand now) are of no real consequence in the grand scheme of things. <BR/><BR/>Ultimately it would appear that Ben has a far greater understanding of the bigger picture than most of if not anyone else (Bar Richard and the Zombie crew) on or off the Island, and simple writing off an entire sum of people ( as expendable) only further makes me believe that he knows if the 6 don't get back to the Island everyone is dead anyway (why?) which would make one assume that if they do 'fix' things that there will be a revert in time(?) back to the pinnacle of the incident. Thus, rendering any casualties and events in the mean time null - similar in kind, to your 'all the dead people will come back in the end' theory about the climax Big.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18432963792981843945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-60903028977355810232009-02-23T11:15:00.000-08:002009-02-23T11:15:00.000-08:00Regarding the submarine ... A friend of mine has a...Regarding the submarine ... A friend of mine has a theory that the submarine is simply a diversionary tactic and not the actual method of travel (by Juliette, for example) to the island. He thinks it doesn;t really make sense for them to knock her out for a simple submarine trip. <BR/><BR/>I am not sure about the sub, but I do think there is more to the lamppost station than just locating the island. I believe there is more to it than that - perhaps even a portal to the island. There must be a method to the island other than crashing a vessel. Richard and friendly seemingly came and went as they pleased, so I think there is a more direct method of island arrival/departure. Maybe something like the donkey wheel - only more precise in destination.machrammhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05187792513642363907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-65940789992274356462009-02-23T10:54:00.000-08:002009-02-23T10:54:00.000-08:00I was looking for websites that might help explain...I was looking for websites that might help explain why Dharma used a simple pendulum to model the Island's movement through different energy states. I found this succinct explanation by a poster named Rich L. on a physics forum that does the job well:<BR/><BR/><B><I>To make this clearer, consider a vibrating string. In classical mechanics we talk of the individual atoms of the string and how they are connected elastically to their neighbors. We understand the motion of the string in terms of the motions of the individual atoms. An alternative representation is as the collective motion of the string as waves, where the motions of the individual atoms are not explicitly represented. This wave can be described in terms of its wavelength (i.e. momentum) and/or energy (amplitude). Both representations are correct. (Whether each is complete is an other question...)<BR/><BR/>The collective motion of the vibrating string makes as much sense as the collective motion of a pendulum, even though the individual atoms are not making the same movements at the same time, they are still part of the same motion and are all interconnected. Anything that alters the vibration of the string alters the collective motion exactly analogous to a pendulum being disturbed. An just as a pendulum can be abstracted to a point mass at the end of a massless rod, the wave on string can be abstracted as a single pendulum.</I></B><BR/><BR/>Full text <A HREF="http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.physics.research/2008-08/msg00078.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Bigmouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-5364368290276394632009-02-23T10:35:00.000-08:002009-02-23T10:35:00.000-08:00Gigi: I definitely agree the Island is the key to ...<B>Gigi:</B> I definitely agree the Island is the key to eternal life...of a sort. I have a couple of "final scene" predictions. One of them has the characters who are still alive encountering everyone who has ever died on the show. When someone (Hurley?) expresses surprise, one of the dead characters (Charlie?) will reply "We don't have to think like that anymore..."<BR/><BR/><B>lockerocks:</B> I agree. Great episode but with lots of blanks still left to fill in. <BR/><BR/><B>Fargus:</B> I tend to think the "you're not supposed to raise him" is a reference to Aaron. But I could definitely see it applying to Locke, as well.<BR/><BR/><B>machramm:</B> I assume the woman with Sayid was some kind of Marshal. It's interesting how him being in custody mirrors Kate and Marshal Mars in the first crash.<BR/><BR/><B>Landa:</B> I'm with you 100% that Sayid is in custody because of Ben. As I recall, the former threatens to hurt the latter if he ever sees him again. So, I'm guessing that explains Ben's injuries. I also agree that Ms. Hawking seemed strangely unmoved by news of her son being in danger.<BR/><BR/><B>80sPro:</B> I have to admit, the possibility that Widmore is Daniel's father is growing on me. Do you suppose that's why they were quarreling? What if Charles forces Ellie to leave the Island to give birth to their son?<BR/><BR/><B>Mary:</B> Good call re Kate leaving Aaron with Claire's mom. It seemed odd that they brought Mrs. Littleton back just to confuse Kate and Jack about who was taking Aaron. Leaving him with her makes a LOT more sense.<BR/><BR/><B>Scott:</B> At first, the whole recreation of the crash bothered me, too. But I realized that it's a great symbol for some important existential themes of the show. I think, as well, that there may be something of a pattern to these crashes. It's almost like the Island is reliving some ancient crash over and over again like a haunting or recording of some kind. Hmmm...could this event loop be the source of all the loop symbolism on the show?<BR/><BR/><B>neaux:</B> I agree that Locke's ghost may have visited Hurley and that the two new characters made it too the Island, too -- good call on both counts!<BR/><BR/><B>BJ:</B> I wonder about that...I wonder if seeing Penny with a child will calm Ben's bloodlust.<BR/><BR/><B>Annie from Lockedinthetrunk:</B> I don't think the kids are on the plane, but were they *supposed* to be on the plane? I wonder if those two new characters made it too the Island because Aaron and Ji-Yeon weren't present when they were supposed to be.<BR/><BR/><B>x:</B> Like I said...I really hope you all are wrong re Ben and Penny...but I worry you're not.<BR/><BR/><B>Lisa:</B> I wondered about the submarine, too. It occurred to me the Swan Station might have somehow made it easier to travel to and from the Island. But the freighter crew used the zodiac raft to go back and forth with no problems, so it's something of a mystery.<BR/><BR/><B>JLes:</B> Although I tend to believe Rousseau that the Others kidnapped Alex, the possibility you raise crossed my mind, as well. Specifically, I wondered if Rousseau knew about the Caduceus station because she gave birth to Alex there...<BR/><BR/><B>Heather:</B> I completely agree -- I'll bet they were in the time of Dharma when Locke put the Wheel back on its axis.<BR/><BR/><B>Netprophet:</B> Great call re Charlie convincing Hurley to go back -- and telling him to bring a guitar! You also raise an interesting possibility re Kate leaving Aaron with Clementine. BTW, I'm on the same wavelength about the Swan station somehow regulating the Swan's movement. But then how do we explain the freighter folks traveling back and forth in helicopters and zodiac rafts?<BR/><BR/><B>J:</B> Whoah...you mean Rachel? I'm going to have to watch that scene again.<BR/><BR/><B>Charliedontsurf:</B> I really, really hope seeing little Charlie gives Ben pause.<BR/><BR/><B>Gareth:</B> Oh my...you may be onto something about Ben wanting to create or restore a timeline where his mommy never died. I'm also with you about Lapidus looking wrong without the beard. I feel the same way about Phil Jackson (coach of the LA Lakers) who shaved his beard this year.<BR/><BR/><B>KoreAmBear:</B> Hmmm...good question. Perhaps it relates somehow to the terrorist cell Sayid infiltrated in Australia? But then, why would Sayid be in American custody?<BR/><BR/><B>ellipsis:</B> Would you believe I completely missed the "my mother" taught me to read line? The comments section of this blog has become required reading!<BR/><BR/><B>Anonymous:</B> Maybe it means nothing, but I get the feeling Jack's grandfather's story isn't done.<BR/><BR/><B>Wayne:</B> I don't think Jack's grandfather is Jack, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him again on the show. I'm guessing grandpa will tell a story about his own father (i.e., Jack's great-grandfather and Aaron's great-great grandfather) named...Jacob Shephard. Good question about why the Island allowed Locke, but not Michael, to die. It must have something to do with Locke's destiny...but what? I've always felt like Locke was a John the Baptist figure. Someone pointed out on thefuselage that J the B was mistaken for the Messiah. Could they be setting Locke up as a false Messsiah?<BR/><BR/>BTW, I absolutely love your suggestion that Charlotte was reliving an old fight between her parents about the Island!<BR/><BR/><B>Alex</B>: It sure seemed like the same flash that accompanied their skipping through time.<BR/><BR/><B>memphish:</B> Well, they were still "saved," just in a different sense, but your point is well taken.<BR/><BR/><B>Christie:</B> I agree -- there will have to be a *very* compelling explanation as to why Kate and Sun were willing to leave Aaron and Ji Yeon behind. It seems very odd that they were apparently so willing to do so.<BR/><BR/><B>Capcom:</B> Hmmm...didn't catch the Lazarus connection. I could definitely see Locke waking up alive on the Island. Good call!Bigmouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-34956246857627752512009-02-22T17:58:00.000-08:002009-02-22T17:58:00.000-08:00Great observations everyone! And thanks for the pe...Great observations everyone! And thanks for the pendulum graphics in your post Big.<BR/><BR/>Has anyone noticed that the Bible verse that Ben mentions about when Thomas was faithful, is in the chapter of John(11) that is about Lazarus coming back to life? Another hint from TPTB I guess, about how Jack might see a living Locke on the island when they get back.Capcomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841675195251354073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-25420296161229968752009-02-21T14:39:00.000-08:002009-02-21T14:39:00.000-08:00Wayne - we can say that the story "seems" almost d...Wayne - we can say that the story "seems" almost done but then something else happens to spin the story on its axis (as it were).<BR/><BR/>Christie - I like your theory there. I bet any money that's what happened.<BR/><BR/>Elipsis - I want Penny to live too, but the only thing that will bring Desmond back is ANY possibility of revenge on Ben. So my bet is that Ben was successful. Of course as usual I am the resident "bleeding heart for kids" and wonder what must have happened to the three of them....has to be something better than fear and abandonment....GasbarNuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789202277016083694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-66158911066540026892009-02-21T13:10:00.000-08:002009-02-21T13:10:00.000-08:00Few thoughts in general, going back to last episod...Few thoughts in general, going back to last episode:<BR/><BR/>when Charlotte screamed "This place is death," I really want to think that she was repeating an argument her mom and dad were having, this what her mom screamed at dad before she left the Island. <BR/><BR/>The man who built the pendulm and the map, I think is Hanso. I don't really get how the DI knew there was an Island (a possibility was that 1954 Army photo), but, then again, I don't believe much of what Hawking says at this point.<BR/><BR/>Since Widmore and Ellie/Eloise (?) were there in 1954, there could be reason to know OF the Island, but maybe it was a "leap of faith" to believe it moves the way it does.<BR/><BR/>Also, and I know its more to move the plot along, but the Hostiles take out the US Army within a few days, but they can't Purge the Iniative until 1992? Kate could climb the sonic fence. Did Alpert need someone to discover the Tempest, likely it was Ben and Dad doing the rounds in the Dharma van. I'm sure the next episodes will fill in a few blanks, but with so much front-loaded this season, I wonder what will be left for 2010.Wayne Allen Salleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199261942617339556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-79688340630401182062009-02-21T12:56:00.000-08:002009-02-21T12:56:00.000-08:00what I think about Ben getting beat up is perhaps ...what I think about Ben getting beat up is perhaps he went off to take care of Penny and Desmond walks in with him holding a gun and either Penny's already dead or she's nearly there and Desmond just explodes at Ben ....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-91054078237187205732009-02-20T21:09:00.000-08:002009-02-20T21:09:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01357667321111863602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-85815805581237220952009-02-20T18:12:00.000-08:002009-02-20T18:12:00.000-08:00I'm not sure Kate willingly left Aaron with anyone...I'm not sure Kate willingly left Aaron with anyone. If she's such a loving mother I don't think anything could convince her that going back to the island was more important that staying with "her" child. I'm more inclined to believe that Claire's mother found out that Aaron was her grandchild (she does have the same lawyer as Ben). Ben could have relayed the info to Claire's mom and with legal action perhaps Kate couldn't say no knowing a blood test would seal her fate. So she did what she does best - she cut and run and where better to really hide from reality than back on the island<BR/>I'm also bothered that Sun would not be concerned about possibly never seeing her daughter again. But it's highly possible that with a Widmore connection she believes she will still be able to leave the island again once she finds Jin.<BR/>I also think Ben at least tried to kill Penny. I think killing Penny may be the only way Desmond willingly goes back to the island. I don't want Penny to die but it seems kind of inevitable esp since Ben promised to do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-58950576016555200452009-02-20T17:30:00.000-08:002009-02-20T17:30:00.000-08:00According to Lostpedia transcripts, Ben said "We'r...According to Lostpedia transcripts, Ben said "We're all convinced sooner or later, Jack."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-28829466109683761262009-02-20T15:56:00.000-08:002009-02-20T15:56:00.000-08:00John 3:05 was on Eko's stick.As for the Narnia thi...<A HREF="http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/e/ee/Ekosstick_looknorth.jpg" REL="nofollow">John 3:05</A> was on Eko's stick.<BR/><BR/>As for the Narnia thing, more Narnia spoilers, disappearing from the crashing train wasn't actually saving them, it was their death and they went from there to heaven.memphishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11135806668363907263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-76601227497615523682009-02-20T14:25:00.000-08:002009-02-20T14:25:00.000-08:00Sorry for the delay in posting! Work and family s...Sorry for the delay in posting! Work and family stuff are keeping me busy this week. As I mentioned above, I probably won't be able to post three-dot thoughts. But I'm reading and enjoying all your comments and will try to pop in this weekend with some replies.Bigmouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-67635644603066031392009-02-20T12:00:00.000-08:002009-02-20T12:00:00.000-08:00I am still trying to determine if the plane crashe...I am still trying to determine if the plane crashes or the crew members are transported ala purple flash of light to the island. We know sawyer and co. encounter the other group when they find the Agjir Airways bottle in the island style raft. Yet, there is no wreckage that we have seen yet so I think someone may have been holding that bottle in their hand as that is how all things are transported as Juliet said.<BR/><BR/>Wayne - I have no doubt that was on Eko's stick, I have no way of going back and checking but I def want to make sure...Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695084895027308866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-33763761919488951042009-02-20T11:39:00.000-08:002009-02-20T11:39:00.000-08:00Faraday MUST NOT shave. And Frank looked about 10 ...Faraday MUST NOT shave. <BR/><BR/>And Frank looked about 10 years younger and NOT three years OLDER. But he'd be straight now that he's flying again, so all cleaned up and such. <BR/><BR/>Shore are some good looking men on this show, and that doesn't even INCLUDE fan fave Sawyer. <BR/><BR/>And I wondered if I heard John too. But then thought no, he's just speaking softly. Right? RIGHT?GasbarNuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789202277016083694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-31264593701474691172009-02-20T10:28:00.000-08:002009-02-20T10:28:00.000-08:00Would anyone trust him as the pilot with that old ...Would anyone trust him as the pilot with that old pointy thing? I was surprised when he came out of the cockpit, and if he is on the Island, it will grow back. <BR/><BR/>When I mentioned Jack as his own Granddad, I should have mentioned that evidently Granddad was addled and maybe everyone has their memories messed with after the Orchid goes online and in future years. Doubtful, but a crazy thought. <BR/><BR/>If Faraday shaves, THEN I'll be pissed.Wayne Allen Salleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199261942617339556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-2105217541999900072009-02-20T05:27:00.000-08:002009-02-20T05:27:00.000-08:00Frank Lapidus is fail without the Beard :(Frank Lapidus is fail without the Beard :(Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18432963792981843945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-72932414517088394342009-02-20T00:07:00.000-08:002009-02-20T00:07:00.000-08:00Oh, one more thing. If they can't put Faraday in t...Oh, one more thing. If they can't put Faraday in the episode, Frank Lapidus will do.Wayne Allen Salleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199261942617339556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-37495068961063043352009-02-20T00:05:00.000-08:002009-02-20T00:05:00.000-08:00Good thoughts, all. Wasn't 3:16 on Eko's stick? Wh...Good thoughts, all. Wasn't 3:16 on Eko's stick? When I first heard the title of the episode, I thought of a compass bearing. <BR/><BR/>Jack's grandpa stood out, and, I know it sounds weird, but in closeup, he had those odd bottom teeth like Matthew Fox, I wondered is this Jack as an old man after Dharma-Jack aged? Then I thought of the phrase I always use to explain time travel, The Grandfather Paradox. So maybe the grandfather--seriously, never mentioned before?--is just a tell about the time travel and a reminder (since Faraday wasn't around, ha ha) to not try and change things. (Doc Jensen at EW also said the two Shepards would be a "pair o' docs," so there's that.) But the grandfather came out of nowhere, so come on.<BR/><BR/>Last year Tom told Michael that the Island wouldn't let him die. Would the Island LET Locke die because it wanted a resurrection?<BR/><BR/>Always enjoying the comments from everyone. Netprophet, you do need a real name, I'd email you right off. You can reach me through my blog as I listen to Geronimo Jackson.Wayne Allen Salleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199261942617339556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-23667738771838193872009-02-19T19:02:00.000-08:002009-02-19T19:02:00.000-08:00It is funny and probably means nothing but when Ja...It is funny and probably means nothing but when Jacks grandfather said freckles about Kate all I could think about was Sawyer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com