tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post8061855258507901261..comments2023-10-02T03:46:00.384-07:00Comments on EYE M SICK: When Alternate Realities Collide...Bigmouthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-1255102152395698642007-06-12T14:58:00.000-07:002007-06-12T14:58:00.000-07:00whereas my elementary spelling mistake can only be...whereas my elementary spelling mistake can only be attributed to low blood sugar.. see you on the other sideAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-38972976359949143192007-06-12T14:56:00.000-07:002007-06-12T14:56:00.000-07:00BM - Congrats on another wonderful read. You're co...BM - Congrats on another wonderful read. You're consistency can only be attributed to genuine writing skill and true insight.<BR/><BR/>The Geronimo Jackson tidbit was a great find. I've got to think about that one and the general coalescence idea.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/><BR/>MikeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-53524004264364401302007-06-07T08:39:00.000-07:002007-06-07T08:39:00.000-07:00A few thoughts and questions to consider:Were the ...A few thoughts and questions to consider:<BR/><BR/>Were the Candle/Wickmund twins from alternate realities? If so, does that suggest Dharma was originally a cooperative endeavor across realities? Did it devolve into a conflict between timelines? Was that what the Incident was about? I wonder...<BR/><BR/>Did Naomi's people let Jack and Kate survive because those two somehow weren't on Oceanic 815 in TLE reality? Remember, if Christian and Wayne never died, Jack and Kate would have no reason to travel to Australia. The question is, what happened to their TLE twins? I confess I don't have a good answer to that one...yet.<BR/><BR/>Merry: Yep, the scene you cite is further confirmation -- good catch!<BR/><BR/>SorryGoFish: You know, I hadn't even considered the possibility that Naomi was a dupe -- good call! You make another excellent point regarding the choice of picture. My suspicion, however, is that this was done as much for our benefit (i.e., the audience's) as Desmond's. Ultimately, I think the picture will connect back to Ms. Hawking, who represents one faction in the time war for the future. As for the former, I think the answer may connect back to your question about Naomi's comment that she's not alone. As I said in my prior reply, I wonder if Mikhail and Kelvin were part of a two-person team sent to find out what happened to Dharma. My working theory is that Naomi was sent by the same people, who are somehow getting information from future factions. At a minimum, I would expect Naomi and her partner to be briefed on the history and layout of Dharma. Since she volunteered none of that and never mentioned her partner again, I'm forced to doubt Naomi's bona fides...<BR/><BR/>LOL! No, my nickname was actually given to me by a former boss. It was mostly affectionate, but he would occasionally blast "that big mouth" of mine in frustration. I wear it as a badge of pride and humility...Bigmouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-22913478344444417422007-06-04T12:48:00.000-07:002007-06-04T12:48:00.000-07:00Bigmouth:Do you think Naomi knows she's not search...Bigmouth:<BR/>Do you think Naomi knows she's not searching for Desmond for legitimate reasons? Is Naomi's copy of the Polaroid picture of Desmond and Penny a photocopy, or a 2nd reality original? (Would've been awesome if it had a different background image. Remember when it was taken? The guy had multiple background to choose from.) At any rate, it's a very interesting picture to have. You'd think some other photo, a digital one perhaps, would've been easier for THF / DHARMA to get.<BR/><BR/>Why do you think she said in Portuguese "I am not alone" to Mikhail? That sure sounded like a warning.<BR/><BR/>About "Catch-22," I'm going to edit that Wikipedia article. I've had that in mind for so long and I think it's actually false. Jerks.<BR/><BR/>Merrylegs:<BR/>Thanks. <BR/><BR/>Bigmouth:<BR/>By the way, is your name a Smurfs reference?Geoff Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866065899906005373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-25602855883701835962007-06-04T09:33:00.000-07:002007-06-04T09:33:00.000-07:00More confirmation that Desmond and Jack are from t...More confirmation that Desmond and Jack are from the same reality. In the episode "Catch 22," Desmond asks Jack for a first aid kit. When Jack asks why, Desmond says he has sprained his ankle. I don't remember the exact dialogue, but Jack asks Des if he needs any help and Des says he has experience in the matter. This refers to their first meeting in LA back in the beginning of season 2 in which Jack hurts his ankle running stadium stairs and Des helps him with it. Back to "Catch 22," after Des makes his statement, Jack smiles and says something like "I guess you do" or something to that effect.Merrylegshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03768089761416498502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-59489240224867712442007-06-02T19:40:00.000-07:002007-06-02T19:40:00.000-07:00SorryGoFish: I think Naomi is from THF/Dharma for ...SorryGoFish: I think Naomi is from THF/Dharma for a few reasons. First, a number of posters have speculated that her freighter might be the Helgus Antonius, which was mentioned in the Lost Experience. Second, Michael Emerson has stressed in various interviews that we should believe Ben when he says Naomi's people are bad. You could be right about "bad" relating to technology, but Ben's problem struck me as more his weakness for the same. Finally, a lot of the Others' procedures seemed (to me, at least) calculated to create the impression that the Island was mostly abandoned except for a few scattered Initiative survivors in the Swan and Flame Stations -- and, of course, the hostiles. My sense is that destruction of the Swan, followed closely by the Flame, shattered this illusion, signaling to THF that the last Dharma holdouts were dead. Maybe THF even connected these events to the crash of an Oceanic 815 in our reality, TLE's, or both.<BR/><BR/>I am fairly sure Jack and Des are from the same reality since, during their confrontation in the jungle, Des asks Jack if he saved Sarah. As for Penny, I like your thinking but have a slightly different take. I think the Penny in our reality may not even be looking for Des. As I've said, my guess is that Des time traveled into TLE reality, which caused TLE Penny to look for Des. My question is which Penny did Charlie contact in the Looking Glass Station? She seemed to be looking for Des, which would suggest TLE Penny, but you never know...<BR/><BR/>I think you're 100% right about my crackpot tail section theory, but explain a bit more what you mean by crashing in the water of Naomi's reality, if you don't mind. I'm most intrigued, though I note that the cockpit and fuselage both landed on the Island. Are you suggesting the whole thing was supposed to crash in the water? As for Catch-22, your guess is as good as mine, which would be continuity error. My sense is that if it were important, Darlton would have drawn our attention to it in the podcast...Bigmouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-47483077710897264452007-06-01T15:53:00.000-07:002007-06-01T15:53:00.000-07:00"the fuselage and tail section were from two alter..."the fuselage and tail section were from two alternate realities" <BR/><BR/>Not buying that. We see the plane crash pretty clearly in the opening of Season 3 and watch both pieces fall. <BR/><BR/>I think the plane was "supposed to" crash, as it did in the water of Naomi's reality.Geoff Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866065899906005373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-76850116710562934022007-06-01T15:48:00.000-07:002007-06-01T15:48:00.000-07:00Regarding the book changing languages. See the 4th...Regarding the book changing languages. See the 4th note at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_%28Lost%29<BR/><BR/>I tried to find the frame with the English version of the book, but got frustrated and gave up. What I did find is that the researchers from Season 2's finale were also Portuguese, loosely linking the Penelope from Season 2 with <BR/>Naomi.<BR/><BR/>Why do you think Naomi's ship is with Dharma / Hanso? Just because Ben calls them bad? They might only be "bad" insofar as they are going to bring new technology / interest to the fragile, powerful island.<BR/><BR/>Are you sure Jack and Desmond are from the same reality? I don't remember from the beginning of Season 2 if Desmond confirms that they met before. Jack says he remembers him, but I don't remember Desmond saying "yeah, I remember you, brother."<BR/><BR/>One thing I've been super curious about is why Penelope paid the researchers to look for a magnetic anomoly. Who pays for that without good reason? Was Desmond able to convince her that in the future there will be a magnetic explosion in his cut-short trip to the past? <BR/><BR/>Perhaps the ship is sent by one Penelope, while the other Penelope is sitting on her laptop looking for Desmond in another way.Geoff Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866065899906005373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-2069505900247607902007-06-01T11:37:00.000-07:002007-06-01T11:37:00.000-07:00CF: Cool stuff! Richard being a Black Rock surviv...CF: Cool stuff! Richard being a Black Rock survivor is possible, but my money is on him being one of Jacob's first recruits.<BR/><BR/>Merry: Strongly second that suggestion and would echo it for any number of ambiguous films (e.g., Memento, Solaris, etc.).<BR/><BR/>Sorry Go Fish: There are definitely two realities and most likely two crashes, though I suspect the crash site that Naomi mentioned was staged after Dharma realized something was wrong on the Island. Of course, if you really want to follow me down the rabbit hole, consider the possibility that the fuselage and tail section were from two alternate realities. Might explain the daylight discrepancy mentioned by some...<BR/><BR/>Naomi is from TLE reality. She may have a counterpart in our own reality, but her employers (i.e, Dharma and the Hanso Foundation) do not. I agree that Jack and Desmond are from our reality, though they may have counterparts in TLE -- same with Penny. In fact, Des may have time traveled into TLE reality during Flashes Before Your Eyes. The timelines/realities split millenia ago, as a result of disastrous Fourtoe experiments in inter-dimensional travel. Most people and things have counterparts in the mirror reality. The principle difference is everything associated with the Valenzetti, Hanso, and Dharma -- that stuff (including the food drops) hails from TLE reality. Walt and Michael are from our reality but returned to TLE. Not sure about the migrating birds -- ya got me there!<BR/><BR/>You ask a very interesting question about Desmond's visions. Under this theory, they're a necessary byproduct of the merging process, much like Donnie Darko develops a kind of limited precognition to help merge the "tangent" universe. But that isn't to say that someone psychic (e.g., Jacob?) couldn't be tampering with his visions a bit. I'm curious, though, if you could explain your intriguing observation about Catch-22 a bit further. Are we sure the book was a different language in Desmond's original flash?Bigmouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-53610597463210585072007-05-31T21:52:00.000-07:002007-05-31T21:52:00.000-07:00Are you saying that there are two realities and th...Are you saying that there are two realities and that in both realities Flight 815 crashed? In one it crashed in the water somewhere, in the other it crashed on the island, and via the island they move from the island crash to the water-crash versions of reality?<BR/><BR/>From which reality does Naomi and company come? In which does Penelope live? From the meeting of Jack and Desmond before Desmond embarks on his sailing trip, I would conclude that Jack and Desmond come from the same reality, and by association, so does Penelope. Since Naomi has the same picture as Desmond did, does she comes from the same reality also? I'm having a hard time understanding exactly when time split, and who's and what are part of which version of reality.<BR/><BR/>From which reality do the food drops come? Should there now be two drops, if time split only after the purple-sky explosion? Will the two versions of time's Dharma food drops collied in mid air at the conduit? What about the migrating birds? Walt and Michael?<BR/><BR/>Any explanation for why the book "Catch 22" was in a different language from Desmond's vision and Naomi's bag? Where do the visions come from? None of Desmond's actions after seeing the vision could possibly have had any effect on the language of the book. The book was already on the ground, for example, when he decided to save Charlie from Rousseau's trap.Geoff Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866065899906005373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-1575132053838703942007-05-31T21:50:00.000-07:002007-05-31T21:50:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Geoff Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866065899906005373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-896611354655783522007-05-31T08:37:00.000-07:002007-05-31T08:37:00.000-07:00Check out Donnie Darko with the director's comment...Check out Donnie Darko with the director's commentary on. Yes, it is weird, and takes more than one viewing to get it. I love that movie though!Merrylegshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03768089761416498502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-56726374353330754812007-05-30T15:48:00.000-07:002007-05-30T15:48:00.000-07:00Hey Big, You may be interested in my latest blog w...Hey Big, <BR/><BR/>You may be interested in my latest blog with information from Carl Sagan on the "Grandfather Paradox"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Richard may be a Black Rock survivor? ? ? Good thought. I do feel that the Black Rock will play a HUGE part in the over all mythology of the show. <BR/><BR/>Later!<BR/><BR/>CFCool_Freezehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00576648125152731679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-79949981097251350352007-05-30T10:54:00.000-07:002007-05-30T10:54:00.000-07:00Aaron and Me: Donnie Darko is indeed confusing unl...Aaron and Me: Donnie Darko is indeed confusing unless you're familiar with the Philosophy of Time Travel by Grandma Death. Here's a link to the wiki, which summarizes well what you need to know: <BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_Time_Travel<BR/><BR/>Basically, the premise of the film is that an alternate "tangent" reality is created by the anomalous appearance of the jet engine. Because this tangent reality is inherently unstable, it must inevitably collapse -- that's why you see a countdown throughout the film. Collapse of the tangent can destroy our reality, too, if not carefully managed. Accordingly, certain people (e.g., Donnie) receive special powers (e.g., telekinesis, super strength, and precognition) to assist in that process. These special people are aided in their mission by ghosts like Frank, the guy in the rabbit suit. The big difference is that the twin realities on Lost are much older and probably the result of Fourtoe experiments millenia ago.<BR/><BR/>Aaron: LOL! Isn't it enough that the Island is ground zero for the Apocalypse? Don't worry -- Magnus and the Fourtoes figure prominently in ways I'll expand upon in the revised Mind of Magnus. I think that a long time ago, before the Biblical flood, a Fourtoe crashed to earth and set up shop on the Island. It genetically engineered a few humans and enslaved the rest, basically playing the role of God. At some point, it began experimenting with inter-dimensional travel in an effort to return home. Something went terribly wrong and reality was literally split in two. This catastrophe wiped out much of humanity, and triggered a massive volcanic eruption on the Island, burying the Fourtoe's Island civilization like Vesuvius did Herculaneum and Pompeii. Only a few of the genetically-enhanced humans survived the cataclysm. They agreed amongst themselves to keep their heritage and the Island a secret. Magnus and Alvar Hanso are descendants of these original enhanced humans. Without realizing it, they are part of nature's long course correction for the Fourtoe's original mistake.<BR/><BR/>Me: I haven't seen Butterfly Effect, but chaos theory is definitely linked to this discussion. Chaotic trajectories often get modeled in 6N-dimensional phase space in an effort to predict the future (e.g., of weather).<BR/><BR/>CF: Not sure about Richard...right now I'm leaning towards him being one of the original Black Rock survivors or someone subsequently attracted by Magnus/Jacob to the Island.<BR/><BR/>Jason: Thanks!<BR/><BR/>James: The original Island "hostiles" are Magnus/Jacob and either his descendants or the various special people like him who have managed to find the Island. Like Donnie, they will serve as agents of Fate's massive course correction, though they probably don't realize it. Alvar may have suspected that these special people would engineer the catastrophic merging of realities, or he may have hoped they would humanity's salvation. That's why he engineered this close encounter between humanity and the natives.<BR/><BR/>As for bad twins, I love your suggestion that the American Widmores are from a different dimension! One word of caution -- the writers have expressed great annoyance with elements of the Bad Twin novel. Unfortunately, they weren't specific, so it's hard to know what annoyed them. Still, I wouldn't treat anything from the novel as gospel. I should also emphasize that many (if not most) people and things from our reality have counterparts in TLE reality -- most of the differences aren't profound. We should be watching for circumstances where one person remembers or knows of something that someone else doesn't.Bigmouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-16251866789850826722007-05-30T05:53:00.000-07:002007-05-30T05:53:00.000-07:00Wow, there's a lot to digest here. I'm still curio...Wow, there's a lot to digest here. I'm still curious about the original islanders/hostiles. Where are they from? Also, do you think that Desmond and Penny come from "our" reality or the TLE reality.<BR/><BR/>Speaking of which, now I'm thinking about Bad Twin. I always found in interesting that the Widmores of Bad Twin were American, but they seem to be British on the show. Another example of parrallel universes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-78268225321670717022007-05-29T13:04:00.000-07:002007-05-29T13:04:00.000-07:00Another great read.Another great read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-27205226931838284782007-05-29T12:31:00.000-07:002007-05-29T12:31:00.000-07:00This is an excellent point. What's your take on Ri...This is an excellent point. What's your take on Richard Alpert? ? ? <BR/><BR/>Does he figure into this at all?<BR/><BR/> :)<BR/><BR/>CFCool_Freezehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00576648125152731679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-53396823277724464702007-05-29T12:01:00.000-07:002007-05-29T12:01:00.000-07:00BigI think I missed out! I never participated in o...<B>Big</B><BR/>I think I missed out! I never participated in or even saw <B>TLE</B> <BR/>:0(<BR/><BR/>Another great Blog.<BR/>I posted on the Lage a similar theory<BR/>were I called the affect a <B>Time Convergence</B> ( like I have the slightest idea what I am talking about ) LOL <BR/>But of course you have done a much better job of describing it than I ever could and have actually helped me to understand it. Fascinating!<BR/><BR/>By the way I did not like the movie <B>Donnie Darko</B> it was very confusing. <BR/>I liked <B>The Butterfly Affect</B> much better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-38703518055361198162007-05-29T09:59:00.000-07:002007-05-29T09:59:00.000-07:00Hey BM, can you give us a sense of how the fight f...Hey BM, can you give us a sense of how the fight for the future would unfold? How would those on the Island, like Ben, attempt to influence it?<BR/><BR/>I have to say that, while your theory is very interesting, I'm not sure I'd want the show to go down that path. My main impression of Donnie Darko was that it was incredibly confusing. Compelling, but mostly befuddling.<BR/><BR/>Also, the multiple realities theory seems to minimize the Island itself. How do the Four-Toes and Magnus Hanso et al figure into this?<BR/><BR/>-- AaronAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com