tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post845877110775303562..comments2023-10-02T03:46:00.384-07:00Comments on EYE M SICK: Thoughts on Confirmed Dead...Bigmouthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-23456559466186873662008-02-15T05:18:00.000-08:002008-02-15T05:18:00.000-08:00This may sound stupid, but while watching this epi...This may sound stupid, but while watching this episode again last night, I found myself wondering why chopper pilot Jeff Fahey was so injured (cut on his head, leg injury) when he landed the chopper so cleanly...did I miss something here? How did he get hurt?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-23227840524169888902008-02-15T04:45:00.000-08:002008-02-15T04:45:00.000-08:00I just noticed while watching the 'enhanced' versi...I just noticed while watching the 'enhanced' version of Confirmed Dead last night, that when Miles was doing his "Ghostbusters" routine, there was a poster on the wall with the words "Battle Royale". I'm not sure if you've heard of the film "Battle Royale", but it's a Japanese film (http://imdb.com/title/tt0266308/) about ninth grade students shipped off to an island where they have to fight each other for their survival. A nifty little easter egg, I thought.<BR/> <BR/>Also, I got to thinking that maybe that wasn't Ben at the end of the episode last night. Instead, it could've possibly been his 'bad twin'? Maybe the freighter four are supposed to be after this assassinating, bad Ben, but have somehow been tricked into thinking he's Island-Ben.<BR/> <BR/>Just my thoughts.Gengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13485500432350030118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-51368375390310923352008-02-12T17:26:00.000-08:002008-02-12T17:26:00.000-08:00I'll stand by my thoughts on Faraday knowing he'd ...I'll stand by my thoughts on Faraday knowing he'd be called to make the trip because he is a "company man," but dj got me thinking that, yea, we weren't shown the wife's face. This episode was incredible in that we get so many fresh questions and directions and a few possible answers (the Beechcraft/polar bear trade) at the same time.Wayne Allen Salleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199261942617339556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-85462977548028843452008-02-12T15:41:00.000-08:002008-02-12T15:41:00.000-08:00This could be completely invalid given the Island'...This could be completely invalid given the Island's ability to heal stuff, but Frank got a pretty damn nasty cut on his forehead... the one Juliet was treating. In the flashback, however, there was nothing there. I'm going to assume, for now, that those were flashbacks.<BR/><BR/>Of all four of them, I am most curious about Dan's. I'd really like to know why he was so upset. I'd also like to know who his wife is, because she wasn't obscured from view unintentionally.<BR/><BR/>While this episode didn't necessarily throw out my entire understanding (or what I think is understanding) of the show thus far, it introduced enough new variables that my head is now spinning out of control...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-57610626903152331922008-02-12T11:47:00.000-08:002008-02-12T11:47:00.000-08:00sdub: Oh, great catch to you and everyone else who...sdub: Oh, great catch to you and everyone else who spotted the stock ticker thing! It could indeed be a clue, though the more likely possibility would be easter egg of some kind. I googled the January 13, 2006 but came back with nothing obvious. Perhaps the date is of some significance to the writers?<BR/><BR/>lolagrrl: Ah, great point about Naomi knowing about the wreckage! That would seem to cast doubt on this flash forward speculation. I'm sure TPTB will clarify this at some point...Bigmouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-91058459805773461632008-02-12T08:58:00.000-08:002008-02-12T08:58:00.000-08:00I went back and watched the first few minutes of t...I went back and watched the first few minutes of the episode again, and I'm incorrect... the stock ticker was shown during the Find815 ARG and again during the Oceanic commercial that followed the premier. <BR/><BR/>Assuming that those are part of the Lost canon, I think information found during the ARG is fair play.<BR/><BR/>For the record, I didn't discover the connection to the stock market date... it was the army of Internet nerds. They can find anything.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://find815.blogspot.com/search/label/Nasdaq" REL="nofollow">Link to Find815 ARG blog</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-58828820580736029132008-02-12T05:25:00.000-08:002008-02-12T05:25:00.000-08:00Sdub... Wow... How the hell did you figure out wha...Sdub... Wow... How the hell did you figure out what date the stock prices matched with? Did it show a date on the screen?<BR/><BR/>The only thing that makes me wonder if those were flash-forwards is what you said yourself... they already knew about the wreckage. Naomi said it herself when they first found her.<BR/><BR/>However, knowing what we know now, I wonder why she said it so unbelievingly. I mean, she knew she might find survivors, so why sound so incredulous when they tell her they are the survivors?<BR/><BR/>Gah! Is it Thursday yet?!?! =)Lolagrrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12689037253696699251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-70094684179570403482008-02-11T21:03:00.000-08:002008-02-11T21:03:00.000-08:00During the newscast of the 815 wreckage, there's a...During the newscast of the 815 wreckage, there's a stock ticker at the bottom of the screen... the values correspond exactly with the closing stock market prices on Jan 13, 2006... The writers wouldn't have "accidentally" done this. I think it's clear that there's some time shifting going on, unless the flashbacks are indeed flashforwards.<BR/><BR/>Come to think of it, the only reason to think the flashes are in the past is b/c they know about the 815 wreckage. If the wreckage is a Widmore fake, and this team works for Widmore, it's reasonable assume they'd know about Widmore's future plans.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps Daniel is remembering his bad experiences on Lostie Island when he sees the newscast.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps Frank is angry about his Lost Island experience, and his call to Oceanic is an attempt to blow the whistle on what he knows is a fake.<BR/><BR/>I'd guess that the ONLY flashbacks are of Naomi talking to Abaddon and the chopper just before they bailed out. The rest are flashforwards.<BR/><BR/>A mix of flashback and flashforward in the same episode? This COULD get confusing!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-73250320839336858352008-02-11T13:23:00.000-08:002008-02-11T13:23:00.000-08:00Anonymous: Another great catch re portals to alter...Anonymous: Another great catch re portals to alternate worlds and dimensions. I note, as well, that time passes differently in Narnia than it does in the real world. Could this be a clue to some time discrepancy with between the Island and real world?Bigmouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-348861582830551762008-02-11T10:57:00.000-08:002008-02-11T10:57:00.000-08:00Another possibility about the C.S. Lewis connectio...Another possibility about the C.S. Lewis connection, via the Narnia series, particularly "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe"..traveling to different dimensions and times via doorways, such as the vile vortices that have been theorized in some posts I have read. Just thinking..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-887653728542797322008-02-11T10:23:00.000-08:002008-02-11T10:23:00.000-08:00Anonymous: Brilliant catch re CS Lewis! And yes, ...Anonymous: Brilliant catch re CS Lewis! And yes, CS Lewis was a professor at Oxford, where Charlotte Lewis was supposedly educated.Bigmouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-43603123970639576112008-02-11T10:16:00.001-08:002008-02-11T10:16:00.001-08:00Anyone else notice what Charlotte's full name was....Anyone else notice what Charlotte's full name was...Charlotte Staples Lewis...C.S. Lewis..what's the correlation, if any? If I am right, and I haven't done my research, I believe a lot of her education came from the same places that Clive Staples Lewis obtained his? Am I wrong?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-2292852000243373632008-02-11T10:16:00.000-08:002008-02-11T10:16:00.000-08:00One other point re the Christmas time discrepancy....One other point re the Christmas time discrepancy. My belief has long been that the Island is "out of time" like in the Langoliers. I pegged the differential at seconds or minutes, but the events of Confirmed Dead point to a longer discrepancy of days or weeks.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous: I suggest above that the Freighter Folks may have been born on the Island. But the possibility that Miles might be Dr. Candle's son frankly didn't even occur to me -- good thinking! It sure seems like the chopper folks knew about the Purge and were prepared with gas masks and hazmat suits.Bigmouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-23136389005118413582008-02-11T05:35:00.000-08:002008-02-11T05:35:00.000-08:00Hello everyone. Let me try this one. Why was Miles...Hello everyone. Let me try this one. Why was Miles so upset with finding a native? Could Miles (not an asian name) have a beef with Ben? Could he be related (son?) of the Asian man in all of the orientation films and who might have died in the purge (who never has an asian name either)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-71978217675243238602008-02-10T14:51:00.000-08:002008-02-10T14:51:00.000-08:00Long-Time Lurker: I think you're right about this ...Long-Time Lurker: I think you're right about this episode dividing folks, but the haters can't complain they weren't warned. There have been hints the Island is haunted since Jack's dead daddy led him to the caves way back in Season 1. As for the A(bbadon)-Team, see my post above -- I have a feeling these individuals were selected for a reason. Perhaps more experienced military teams (e.g., Kelvin and Mikhail?) have tried in the past and failed?<BR/><BR/>Finally, I share your sense that Fate -- what Roland Deschain would call Ka -- explains many mysteries of the show. One example, as you note, may be Locke's lost kidney. Others include his survival of a fall and a plane crash, both of which should have killed him. But we should also recall Mr. Eko's admonishment not to confuse coincidence with fate. Sometimes, what looks like fate is really the accumulation of many small coincidences that culminate in an outcome so improbable it seems impossible, even where no higher order is at work.<BR/><BR/>Humanity itself may be such an improbable occurrence -- what Dr. Manhattan calls the "thermodynamic miracle." Is that why we're doomed to extinction? Is the universe course correcting? Or did Hanso and Co. make it happen by believing it to be true? These strike me as questions that are quintessentially Lost...<BR/><BR/>Lolagrrl: I really like your suggestion that the chopper folks are all supposed to be on the Island. Could their participation in the mission be part of some cosmic course correction? Maybe Ms. Hawking and her temporal police Abbadon's real employers. I, too, was stunned by the realization that Locke lost his kidney in the past to fulfill his Fate in the future! It reminds me of Dan Simmons' description of the legendary Achilles as a freak of quantum probability, invulnerable because the time of his death has been set and cannot be altered. Is that why Jack couldn't commit suicide? How many times has he tried?<BR/><BR/>I also dig your point about how our Losties seem to be taking on the role of the Others. I, too, was struck by the analogy to Bearded Tom in the Hunting Party -- I kept hoping Jack would yell "light 'em up!" I have a feeling this, too, is more than coincidence. Events are repeating themselves on the Island, which is like a psychic recorder. In fact, I think the same basic conflict we're witnessing has been replayed again and again on the Island, but with different players each time. In that regard, I actually disagree re Jack returning to the Island -- I believe it has to happen. He and Kate will become the new Adam and Ever...<BR/><BR/>Jason: It's certainly possible some conspiracy explains the coincidence of Locke losing his kidney -- same thing with Richard Malkin and Claire. The conspiracy possibility seems even more plausible with the appearance of shadowy figures like Ms. Hawking and Abbadon. The thing about Fate, though, is that it requires no grand and elaborate conspiracies. Locke can conceivably lose his kidney just because it's necessary to fulfill some future destiny, which is either cool or frustrating, depending on your preferences.<BR/><BR/>I hope you're right that the end of the writers' strike means we'll be getting the remaining 8 episodes from Season 4 in a timely fashion. My fear, however, is that so much time has been lost, the schedule will be pushed back like it was with the Sopranos. I suppose I'd rather they do that than rush the back 8 that haven't already been made. Still, David Chase squandered a lot of good will dragging things out the way he did, which may explain some of the backlash to the (in)famous black screen finale.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous: It's tough to tell what Abbadon meant by his question to Hurley. Is he referring to other survivors of Oceanic 815? Other members of the A-Team? The Others/Hostiles? I agree it's probably the first, but so many possibilities remain. BTW, I absolutely *love* Doc Jensen's suggestion -- and your reasoning -- why Charlotte is the mole! I completely buy the speculation that Ben exploited Charlotte's interest in the Island to recruit her and that they worked out the vest show in advance. Not sure about the time traveling polar bear, though that would fit with the two bunnies in the Orchid Orientation.<BR/><BR/>Wayne: I think you've hit the nail on the head with your speculation that Daniel was crying because of his connection to Widmore. Dan may even be how Widmore found out about Desmond's conversation with Donovan. I wonder if Widmore agreed to fund Daniel's research in return for the info -- and with the expectation that Dan would be a part of the team sent to the Island. Maybe Dan realized that the events foretold by Desmond were starting to come true, and that it was time to pay the piper...<BR/><BR/>Like you, I'm skeptical the polar bear bones in Tunisia were a time travel phenomenon. I wonder if animals and objects were smuggled off the Island during Dharma...<BR/><BR/>3D: Good point re Abbadon and the party line. I'm with you that rescuing the survivors of Oceanic 815 is low on the the Freighter folks' list of priorities. Keep in mind, however, that the very existence of such a party line implies that Abbadon, too, knows there may be survivors. I think you're right that Ben doesn't have any intrinsic ability to sense people with talents like his own -- that's more Richard's specialty. I also think you may be onto something about the mission being, in part, to dispose of inconvenient people. Was Abbadon referring to other members of the A-Team with his question to Hurley?<BR/><BR/>Anonymous: Brilliant reasoning with the flash forwards! Upon further review, I agree that this only works if *all* of the freighter folks' flashbacks are actually flash forwards -- into the very immediate future. That strikes me as less likely, but still quite possible, especially if we posit some kind of MKULTRA brainwashing. What if the freighter folks did their mission and were brainwashed when they returned? Perhaps their weird reactions to the news of the recovery of Oceanic 815 with everyone confirmed dead is actually the result of some residual memory of encountering survivors. Like I said, it's less plausible but certainly possible...Bigmouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04885083460724621786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-72531192953960652832008-02-09T13:41:00.000-08:002008-02-09T13:41:00.000-08:00During the news broadcast, it is mentioned that tw...During the news broadcast, it is mentioned that two months have passed since the crash. Lets say December 1st, just for the hell of it. Its not like Naomi was part of a "Go" team. People had to be hand-picked, contacted, etc. It would be easy enough to chopper them to the Christiana I while it was on its usual rounds. Just because the ship was near the Trench doesn't mean the four from the chopper were on board until later. I think Frank the pilot is kiind of like Inman, he just took a job, but this time because he had an interest in the outcome. I truly think Faraday was freaking out because he knew his expertise would be called upon. You work for Widmore and everything happens for a reason.Wayne Allen Salleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199261942617339556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-2129698543787039032008-02-09T12:30:00.000-08:002008-02-09T12:30:00.000-08:00Regarding the flash forward speculation, I posted ...Regarding the flash forward speculation, I posted this on Doc Arzt site earlier this morning. I tend to agree with you ...<BR/><BR/>What if aside from Naomi's flasback the other four's flasbacks are not flash backs but flashforwards.<BR/><BR/>A poster in comments mentioned that the Christian ! found the plane wreck after Christmas this is indicated by Talbot's remark in the ARG.<BR/><BR/>When Naomi Landed on the island it would not have been Christmas yet by count of the days and the date of the crash. How could this be? The flasback show the plane already being found. I don't believe this is a continuity error. <BR/><BR/>In Naomi's flashback she mentions possibly running to survivors of 815. The scary dude says there are no survivors, however, the conversation between the two never mentions that the wreckage has been found.<BR/><BR/>The other four, on the other hand, all see the news about the wreck being found in various news outlets: newspaper, tv, radio,<BR/><BR/>The quirky dude gets very upset when he sees the news. <BR/><BR/>Charlotte seems to be reading it in many different papers as referenced by her conversation, when the other woman asks her, "How many langages do you have to read that in to believe it?" Charlotte replies, "Many." She then fins the polar bear with the DHAMA collar. She seems to recognize it, like she's seen it before. I think she has. I think it was a flashforward.<BR/><BR/>Frank calls the hotline to dispute that fact that the pilot found is who Oceanic says it is. Whan asked for a reason for his beliefs he says the pilot always wheres his wedding ring. The person on the other end says it probably fell off. To me that's a reasonible conclusion, however, Frank continues to argue. I think he knows because he has already been to the island and seen the truth.<BR/><BR/>Because Miles hears about the wreckage being found on the radio as he pulls up to the house where he ges the money and he is with the other three on the island at the same time, it is safe to come to the conclusion that if the other three are in a flash forward he is also.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-60799255552598687442008-02-09T06:52:00.000-08:002008-02-09T06:52:00.000-08:00Blogger Lolagrrl said...3D... Ok, maybe "sense" w...Blogger Lolagrrl said...<BR/><BR/><B>3D... Ok, maybe "sense" was the wrong word to use. I mean, we as viewers know Hurley's connection to the island (what with the numbers and all)but Ben didn't, which means that Jacob didn't tell him.</B><BR/><BR/>I don't think Jacob tells Ben much of anything anymore. I don't think he told Ben about Locke either, Ben just figured it out because he had a detailed file on Locke saying he couldn't walk, and on the Island he is walking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-18801567213106613682008-02-09T06:24:00.000-08:002008-02-09T06:24:00.000-08:003D... Ok, maybe "sense" was the wrong word to use....3D... Ok, maybe "sense" was the wrong word to use. I mean, we as viewers know Hurley's connection to the island (what with the numbers and all)but Ben didn't, which means that Jacob didn't tell him.<BR/><BR/>Also, I've seen a still shot of Christian Shepard in the cabin (when Hurley looked thru the window)... Anyone see who else he saw in there? I know there were more figures than Christian.Lolagrrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12689037253696699251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-27907828535884034372008-02-09T01:00:00.000-08:002008-02-09T01:00:00.000-08:00One other thing Bigmouth. Nice post, but there is...One other thing Bigmouth. Nice post, but there is something you neglected to mention about the Not Penny's Boat crew. Three of the four were shown to have interest in the crash of 815, and two were shown to be openly engaging in conspiracy theory speculation. Frank even went so far as to (probably unknowingly) call the conspirators and inform them that he was onto them.<BR/><BR/>My point is, maybe this mission has a dual purpose; yes, on the surface they want to accomplish whatever it is they want to accomplish, but maybe there is the secondary purpose of stranding some whistleblowers on an invisible Island so they can't unravel the plot.<BR/><BR/>It seems like the only thing anyone on the crew has in common.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-82295655041053369852008-02-09T00:51:00.000-08:002008-02-09T00:51:00.000-08:00lolagrrl said...Locke didn't seem surprised when H...lolagrrl said...<B>Locke didn't seem surprised when Hurley mentioned the cabin but Ben looked downright pissed! My question is why didn't he sense Hurley's connection to the Island before? He seemed to know Locke's connection but he had let Hurley go in season 3.</B><BR/><BR/>I don't think Ben "sensed" Locke's connection to the Island. I think he figured it out because Locke had been in a wheelchair and now he can walk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-82235695223360632612008-02-09T00:49:00.000-08:002008-02-09T00:49:00.000-08:00anonymous said...Abbadon’s confrontation with Hurl...anonymous said...<BR/><BR/><B>Abbadon’s confrontation with Hurley last week at the mental ward. Since he sent those folks, wouldn’t he know if there were still folks left on the island? What did Naomi know to question if there were survivors and what did Abbadon know to insist that there wasn’t?</B><BR/><BR/>I think Abbadon was giving the party line that there are no survivors. I think he and Naomi both know there are survivors, but "we don't talk about that".<BR/><BR/>I thought it was a line designed to show us as the audience that the mission has nothing to do with the plane crash.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-28863136541112824672008-02-08T22:36:00.000-08:002008-02-08T22:36:00.000-08:00I suspect that Faraday was crying and lied when he...I suspect that Faraday was crying and lied when he told his wife he didn't know why because he is a company man and knew that Widmore would call him for the Island job.<BR/><BR/>Are the Tunisia bones really that fossilized? What if they'd just been in the desert for twenty years? About the same time the polar bear trade places with Yemi's Beechcraft, maybe refeuling or flying overhead. I think that The Hydra was testing climate control. They never got the bear back, but they got the plane.Wayne Allen Salleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199261942617339556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-17549908473420082882008-02-08T12:39:00.000-08:002008-02-08T12:39:00.000-08:00Sorry, I guess I should have stated it a bit more ...Sorry, I guess I should have stated it a bit more clearly. I meant hopefully we get a total of 14 new episodes instead of the 6 we have left (equaling 16 episodes). Not 14 more on top of the 8 we are already for sure getting (equaling 22). <BR/><BR/>That Doc is a smart guy and the Charlotte theory seems to be more like the correct one seeing as Ben has been the chess master since we've seen him in season 2, and everything he does has an underlying purpose....A deep underlying purpose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17498689.post-42485372675710114902008-02-08T10:12:00.000-08:002008-02-08T10:12:00.000-08:00There was so much going on last night...almost too...There was so much going on last night...almost too much to keep track of. In typical Lost fashion, something were answered with more questions.<BR/><BR/>One quick mention about the ending of the writer's strike; we'll only be getting 8 more episodes in addition to the 8 already filmed. Remember, 3 more seasons of 16 eps a piece...<BR/><BR/>Abbadon clearly lost touch with this mission between the events of the meeting we saw last night with Naomi and his visit with Hurley in the first episode. We won't know that full picture, or why he believes there were no survivors, for awhile, I guess.<BR/><BR/>Read from Doc Jensen that Ben's "man" on the boat could be Charlotte, and that Ben shooting her was already set up between Ben and her so people would not suspect they were in cahoots. Here's why I think that theory may be true.<BR/><BR/>Charlotte was interested to see the polar bear fossil and knew to look in the ground for the Dharma collar. Why? Could it be that she is/was working with the Dharma initiative, or maybe the Others? Maybe in the course of their experiments with animals, the Dharma Initiative experimented with time travel and sent some of those animals to different places in time. Let's say the polar bear was sent back in time, died, became a fossil, and Charlotte knew to go looking there for the polar bear to see if the animal actually had travelled in time. She is also overjoyed at what she found, and also when she first lands on the island. Perhaps she is so interested in what is going on with the Island that Ben was able to manipulate her to work with him, and be his mole, and he would reveal the secrets of the island, as he's promised to do a number of times?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com